[Hiring] Product Manager

Also, I think we shouldn’t use Snapshot as a polling system. Preferably let’s use a polling app and only use Snapshot for voting.


This is a violation of HIP-5

and not a valid signalling proposal. It would be a highly biased and undemocratic result (as opponents have no way to express their concerns).

So are we in the process or are we out? Can you clarify?

We can kickstart a selection process where we’ll evaluate candidates and then have them apply separately to be evaluated by the Kleros team as well. To be clear, we would not be applying as a team that includes a dev, as it is hard to tell how long it would take to find the right person and this could significantly and unnecessarily delay our own process. Instead, me, Sofia and the people volunteering to help us will assist the DAO with the process of finding a dev.

We’ve updated our application to remove the artist from our team and review our budget given the volatility of ETH. We hope this addresses some of the concerns being brought up by a team application (the fact that we were reserving to ourselves the right to choose a team member) while also maintaining what we consider to be a realistic offer, given the expectations for this role entail more work than what one of us could do alone. We continue to be extremely flexible budget wise and want to make it work within the constraints of the DAO, while also allocating a large budget for the developer hire.

In this post I shared our thinking with regards to duo vs. team application in more detail [Phase-2]: HIP-13 Adopt a management onboarding procedure - #4 by paulaberman

Hello everyone,

Hope this message finds you well, here is a quick update on my candidacy to be the next PM. This is a position that really excites me and that I know I can jump in and start contributing right away.

My goal is to bring practicality to the position in order to get shit done. I am prepared to switch my current freelance position and devote 100% of my time to implementing and growing what the community wants from PoH. Since I have been working as a Product Manager for the past 4 years my bread and butter is interacting with stakeholders (community) to see what is resonating and getting traction in a production (mainnet) environment. Also, I commit myself to have a groomed backlog that has gone through the proper analysis and community feedback which will make the developer’s life easier as he will just be focused on implementing all the technical aspects of features, bugs, or any task coming our way that needs development.

In my latest interview with @clesaege, @federicoast and Stuart, I clearly voiced my weakness which is that I don’t have the academic credentials in self-sovereign identity theory or liquid democracy in action, I acknowledge that and if selected it would be the first topic I would dive into to make sure I have the right context when analyzing and implementing any new development for PoH. Another topic discussed was my crypto-credentials.

My crypto credentials are:

  • Received and still holding 2 UNI airdrops (800) from tinkering with the protocol back in September 2020, which is to say I have interacted with Ethereum for about 1 year and I am comfortable using and explaining it to the laymen (based on fees.wtf I’ve used 27.907 million gas (2.423 ETH) to send 194 transactions, with an average price of 90.6 gwei since June 2020)
  • Contribute smart contract documentation to a couple of DeFi protocols to simplify the big functions and interfaces inside those protocols (links down below)
  • Udemy certificate for completing Ethereum Blockchain Developer Bootcamp with Solidity
  • My degenscore (degenscore.com) is 80 which according to their gauge puts me at Ape status =P


These credentials are tongue-in-cheek as they are not really credentials but my point is that I am working on getting better and will not quit in the face of adversity just because there is another token or farm popping up somewhere, I am convinced Ethereum will be the leading protocol in crypto for our long-term future as it will be the most valuable censorship-resistant protocol out there.

I hope I can make a good impression with that and I am open to any questions there might be about my candidacy. At the end of the day, I will support the selected PM with anything I can and still will be active in the community to reach as many humans as we can.

Best regards from Hamburg, Germany.

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Also, forgot to mention the actions that we talked about which is something I also talked to @Mads about in our interview is, how to make $UBI appreciate and rise in value. The biggest quick-win is to build a better Frontend to the UBIDAI vault (human.money) so each member of the community can pitch it to investors an/or philanthropists that wish to donate to a great cause.

Another action - and maybe the most important is how to allow $UBI holders to do something with it and not pay an exorbitant fee in Ethereum L1. @clesaege voiced concerns about Polygon and the right strategy would be to jump in a roll-up as soon as they give developers the green light. It raises the question, if it would be too long to wait for the roll-ups given no clear agenda has been laid out?

This two actions alone, which would consume the PM and the developer full time for the next month or two, would be clear improvements to the registry and the UBI tokenomics.

Looking forward to any feedback.

@iafhurtado I’m actively working myself on the UI development for the human.money vaults, you can keep track of my github pushes for this. and the Polygon bridge for the token has been announced yesterday.


I come with an updated proposal and my progress report on things done and in progress.

I am proposing as a single full-time PM. My main goal is to configure an enabler environment for anyone to work on developing their ideas, find collaboration matches and resources for realizing both for-profit and non-profit endeavors that push up the price of $UBI while facilitating the use of PoH as an identification method.

Even though I am proposing as one PM. The polycentric product manager strategy relies on including the community in the development of the ecosystem. Where I would be the only one accountable by the DAO for the deployment of the strategy.
For this, the annual budget asked to the DAO is $129,000 for the 5 bounty bags all in $UBI. Plus the total annual salary for me of $11,437.6 in $UBI + 4 ETH. Therefore, a total of: $140,437.6 USD in $UBI + 4 ETH.

Looking forward to your interview and feedbacks.
Feel free to schedule a call here

Hello friends and fellow humans,

I want to see Proof of Humanity become an independent and self-sufficient project. Right now Proof of Humanity is dependent on and entwined with Kleros.

I see a future for Proof of Humanity with an independent foundation, the Proof of Humanity Foundation, working with the DAO and the community.

Today it’s not clear what the path to independence for Proof of Humanity looks like. What will the relationship between PoH and Kleros look like? It is clear there’s going to need to be significant fundraising. A project with our scope and ambition is extremely challenging and requires a hardworking team and a lot of time, and success will require a lot more budget.

I am willing to join this project with founder level commitment if I have a mandate to create the Proof of Humanity Foundation. If our mission board and Kleros stakeholders will endorse and support a mandate for independence for Proof of Humanity, I am ready to take on the responsibility of creating a strong foundation for us to build and grow together.

I am requesting that we please convene a meeting of the mission board to discuss our mission and the mandate for the future of Proof of Humanity. Let us show strong leadership and forge a new future for humanity together.

Your humble servant,
Ryan Petroff

There is already a DAO for that and a foundation would be a backward move centralizing the project. Moreover, for a project having the goal to be an institution encompassing all humans, setting itself under the jurisdiction of particular state would harm this purpose.
Anything a foundation can do, the DAO can do better.

Hello everyone,

Here are the answers from working with Clement as a PM applicant:

You can also visit the Figma file to comment and view the overall idea I proposed to add a new tab to the PoH interface called Work. There we could encourage registered humans, to use their $UBI to foment holding behavior. At the moment, the list of things that anyone can do with $UBI is growing - with the UBIDAI vault being a magnificent breakthrough, but we still have to find many more ways to include more population, hopefully with a goal to reach ALL humans

Unfortunately, I was not able to coherently answer any of the technical questions which disqualify me from that perspective. I still will remain active representing Proof of Humanity on meet-ups and innovation groups in Hamburg, Germany where I reside.

My abstracted visualization is this Work tab can be an interface of smart contracts that build on top of all the great work done so far. Kleros courts to resolve job-related disputes and this would improve each human’s PoH profile.


I look forward to any feedback and next steps needed to pick the next PM and get moving.



@clesaege, Clement could you update us on the progress? Which candidates have been interviewed, when are the rest of the interviews expected?

For transparency I had the following exchange with @clesaege today:

Me: Hi All! Is there any estimation of when can we expect to hear back from you?

Clément: Hi Paula, for now you’ve been 2 to have returned the exercises. There are also a bunch of other candidates who contacted us but didn’t post on the forum, so I think a good way would be to ask everyone to finish their exercises within one week once we get 5 exercises finished.

Me: Clément, as I’ve told you during a team meeting a couple weeks ago, I don’t think it’s ok to create a backdoor for applications which is ran by Kleros. If you wanted to advertise the position with Kleros’ profile that’s all good, but you should have told candidates to follow the procedures that were voted on by the DAO. This makes it so that the value of all of our governance system is undermined because you will simply go ahead and change rules without being accountable. Not to mention its extremely unfair to the other applicants. I’m posting this on the forum to clarify my position.


This statement is false, Paula never told me that. And the fact that the offer on cryptojoblist was only made the 19/06/21 proves that she definitely couldn’t have said that “a couple weeks ago”.

There is no “backdoor ran by Kleros”. All candidates have to follow the process outlined by HIP-2 and the fact that we may have private conversations with people interested by the position and give private feedback is explicitly outlined by HIP-2 (getting negative recommendations in public is not something a lot of people would like).

Paula also had private talks with potential developer candidates without this creating any issue.

I believe Paula is trying to undermine me (note that putting offers on cryptojoblist was approved by board members including someone of Democracy Earth) in preparation of a negative recommendation.
I believe that showing a confrontational strategy trying to surf on disagreements with Luis is led to failure.
Note that initially I thought that Paula was almost guaranteed to get the position and even wondered if it was fair for other applicant time. After interacting with her during the recruitment process, I can now say that those fears were unfounded.

This statement is false, Paula never told me that. And the fact that the offer on cryptojoblist was only made the 19/06/21 proves that she definitely couldn’t have said that “a couple weeks ago”.

I will bring a charitable perspective here and say that you might have forgotten this (instead of accusing you of making a false statement as you are doing to me), but some weeks ago a new recruitment procedure was posted in this forum where applicants were supposed to initiate their application through a form that was controlled by Kleros. Right after this was posted I went to a meeting in which you and many others were present, and I mentioned my concerns with the fact that by accepting applications through a form controlled by Kleros you were deviating from the rules that had been voted on by the DAO. Many who were present in the meeting agreed with me that it was indeed improper, so you deleted the post. In accepting direct applications now, you replicated the same practice that negates the procedures which had been voted on, thus I mentioned that I had brought this up before. I will not name names, but those who were present in the meeting are welcome to attest to this fact before the community, and clear this serious and untrue accusation I am receiving.

If the candidates did not apply in the forum, it means they did not abide by the following rules outlined on HIP-2:

"The recruitment process for positions offered by the DAO is as follows:

  1. Candidates submits an initial proposal which contains:
  • A resume.
  • A brief writing explaining why they would like to work for the DAO and why they think they would be a great fit.
  • The % of their working time they propose to allocate to the DAO, the requested compensation and its yearly equivalent full time. Ex: 50% for 6 months for a total pay of 25k$ (100k$ of yearly equivalent full time)."

Paula also had private talks with potential developer candidates without this creating any issue.

Yes, I talked to candidates and made a public blog post offering to have an initial conversation with them, but in doing so I made clear that in order to apply they should post publicly on the forum as was voted on by the DAO. Quoting from the blog post:

" How do I apply?

Applicants must submit a proposal in this thread, at the Proof of Humanity forum.

However, we understand that applying through a thread on a public forum might be off-putting, especially for a position with so much responsibility and visibility. We want to help! If you think you might be a great fit, and are interested in an initial chat to learn more about Proof of Humanity or the position, feel free to reach out via this form and the authors of this blog post will get in contact with all promising candidates to schedule a conversation!"

Ensuring this was as proper and transparent as possible, I also posted the blog post here on the forum:

It’s sad you are deflecting the critique by arguing that a legitimate concern for abiding by transparent and democratically voted on procedures is a strategy to gain support by members of this DAO. I am confident in the extremely hard work I’ve been doing for this community, and have no need to appeal to such schemes. Moreover, I hope that in the future we can develop a culture in which we have a safe space to discuss things without being the target of personal accusations of the type you are making.


Paula I never made any form, please stop baseless accusations.

That’s the exact same thing, glad that we agree.

The recruiting process seems that it is not the priority of the DAO, as it should be to accelerate the maturity. The only interview I had was from @Mads, which I am grateful for due to he was the only one taking the lead on the recruiting process. From that point, I have not been contacted, nor received any exercise to do. Although I asked about the form too, and I was told that it was erased.


Hi HBesso31, sorry I didn’t see you made an application. I just saw a post higher up the thread but didn’t see your resume. Could you add it or point to the post with your resume?

I also agree that not enough time was spent in recruiting and that’s what we added the posts on cryptojoblist. It led to a good amount of contacts and I hope they will make formal applications which will allow the DAO to have a fair and competitive recruiting process on those 2 positions.