Should we fork?

Proof of Humanity
#1

At this point the DAO is suffering from a fight of two sides as I identified in my Making sense of recent drama in Proof of Humanity post.

https://medium.com/@ClementLesaege/making-sense-of-recent-drama-in-proof-of-humanity-ccf3082eb0fa

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This personally taking most of the time I can dedicate to Proof Of Humanity and prevents the project from advancing.

Now recently this has escalated to new levels with what I would qualify as an attempted coup (and I measure the use of the word) where a board member, who kept pretending to be a founder (see recent attempted below) even after having been debunked by the Time magazine, is stating that my vote as board member doesn’t count and that delegations doesn’t count.

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I think we may have passed the point of no return and if the two “sides” are in the same project, they will just keep fighting together instead of building and other projects will take the lead in the Sybil resistance space.

The version 2 may be an ideal time to fork as both sides could deploy their own version of V2 (still pointing to the V1 contract so that people do not lose their profiles).

I’m sure the other side would have a different version of the events but may still prefer to be on a PoH going according to their wishes.

So what do you think?

  • Yes, we should fork.
  • No, we shouldn’t fork.

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[phase 1] HIP 48: Removal of Clement Lesaege as mission board member
#2

Fork what exactly? The contract? The DAO? I don’t understand.

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#3

Fork PoH into 2 different projects, one handled by each side.
People registered in V1 would stay registered on both V2s until their submissions expire. Then they would need to choose on which PoH fork they register.

#4

What about the governance? Technically speaking today we have a PoH smart contract under a Kleros Governor. What about the DAO funds as well?

#5

Well each fork could choose their own governance.

For the funds I’d suggest we make a vote on DAO funds split, where people vote on which DAO it should go and give those proportionally to the amount of votes.

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#6

Isn’t an occam’s razor 50/50 split better?

#7

That’s also OK for me.

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#8

Okay, with a 50/50 split of funds + two implementations of PoH v2 that can somehow cooperate with each other (maybe each with their own governor, but at the same time keeping a same canonical list of humans) maybe it’s something worthy of consideration. We should think about it as a community.

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#9

I like this way of splitting the funds better. I mean, why go with 50/50 when you can allocate the funds to the project that people vouch for instead? Let the people decide what PoH to fund.

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#10

This could be done with having a proxy which would accept a profile if it is registered in at least one PoH (the 2 PoH may need to have in their rules a clause preventing people to register on both with different addresses).
This way, projects using PoH could choose which kind of system they accept.

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#11

I like this approach. If you can help us with the smart contract side of things, I can see we take care of the rest of the infra. Let’s think about it.

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#12

This Fork could be a zoom, gentlemen.
Act like such and stop harassing each other.

You are a fantĂĄstic complement.

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#14

Very much against forking.

This is a club that lets everyone in so disagreements are sure to occur. To move forward we need to be able to deal with disagreements.

Both projects would be universal projects, eventually, people with very different ideas will join both projects. Forking is a step back that only postpones the truly hard democratic problems.

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#15

Really in favor of forking. IMO the discussions between the two “factions” are way past the point of no return, and a lot of the energy is spent in the wrong places (politics).

But moreover, the focus of those groups is on totally different things. I never really understood why POH should be so closely tied to UBI, besides the fact that you don’t want to allow users multi-accounting when giving away some sort of universal income. That is just one of the hundreds of use cases for a verified registry of humans, and while UBI may have seemed a cool marketing strategy to onboard a lot of people to POH (short-term incentive), I don’t think a registry of humans should have ending poverty as a core purpose. That just sounds like Web3 populism to me.

Other people may not agree with my view that UBI and POH shouldn’t be so closely related, and that is fine, since we may all be biased. But IMO that does not change the fact that both groups would be more productive building their vision separately and trying to make that sustainable and successful, not playing politics.

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#16

What actual investment and processes have been built to improve the quality of relationships over time? It doesn’t really matter if you fork because you will still fork the underlying problem on both sides. What has been built is an ecosystem that is degenerative from a relationship point of view. That problem will become the limiting factor again if you fork or not because you don’t have the processes to develop and build the consensus necessary to move forward in a regenerative way. All you are doing is creating a microcosm of the polarisation that already exists in the world. You cannot have the decentralisation of power without scaling of trust and compassion that needs to go with it. This is a process of the heart and not the mind. Fundamentally you don’t trust each other enough to stay in the emotion long enough to find the 3rd way. It is all about reacting to the emotion and trying to shout the loudest to get your own way. In my time I have witnessed such extraordinary acts of reconciliation and forgiveness that there is no relationship that isn’t beyond repair. The question is the common good worth more than processing the pain and fear that arrives in your disagreement? Fork away by all means. It will drive some innovation, however, neither frame of mind will likely solve decentralised identity or poverty.

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#17

Yeah, that’s why the main feature of a fork would be to have a strong constitution.

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#18

Do you think the constitution applies to all sides of the fork or just the side that wants to pursue it? Honest question.

#19

The reason the two ‘factions’ are past a point of no return, in my reading and observation, is that there has been very little in the way of clear-minded mediation going on for months on end. Read through the forums and telegram. Key points are burried in overwhelming emotive arguments. It’s tremendously hard to actually assertain what anyone’s point is, and all involved seem to rarely be consistent in their held beliefs. Nobody is actually on the same page about anything. Doubly so for those who don’t speak English or Spanish primarily. How is the average person in PoH meant to dissect all this to be able to vote on decisions?!

From my recent post:

Much of the emotional, antagonistic behavior inherant in the bipartisan environment that arose over the past year appears to be the main driver for forking, rather than it being a mindful, diplomatic resolution.

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#20

To be clear:
Explicitly separating PoH DAO and UBI DAO would be forking?
I’d Say that it is just ordering.

Could we do that peacefully?

#21

POH DAO and UBI DAO are already separated, just lacking a couple of transactions.

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