HIP-XX: Farming of delegations

The following profiles where created in Proof of Humanity have instantaneously delegated voting power to @clesaege in spite of having 0 activity with either the protocol or even ethereum itself. This list only shows the accounts created in the last 24 hours alone but the list is considerably longer.

https://etherscan.io/address/0x3eddd702cbe746e8fe9d050c44e39f162a163236
https://etherscan.io/address/0xd5faf83068fe0a25d8bc8dba8dfa92da33d8869a
https://etherscan.io/address/0xbaefc65117eb76e5836fe6ac2da5b9ec61b839e7
https://etherscan.io/address/0xaaaf677ae9d2e128937bde5b55127d697021e0df
https://etherscan.io/address/0x1f246feacc078eaf47932f3ad3fbb59ef77f3bed
https://etherscan.io/address/0x10b93ae66d2d842fe2f500475fcc962f8ac339d4
https://etherscan.io/address/0x2e7970981f780904aa36c7fee21fe46d9c2ae9e1
https://etherscan.io/address/0x0ca4ef985693582174b9537768c15af697c98238
https://etherscan.io/address/0xd6af4f4c65cfc337582b7e60f06ea397564e3ed0
https://etherscan.io/address/0x1fc8a1bf79d2315f9dae148519f14b2bb454e28e
https://etherscan.io/address/0xd53407e10f94254b8d19c5811267e4600c34634d
https://etherscan.io/address/0x1fb579ed375178e3784762fa0cd311756ae93ee2
https://etherscan.io/address/0x22cdaa10d5b209469bbff4f29fb9dd1d319bc953
https://etherscan.io/address/0x3b1a0f6383e12d83981a3d50938871df233b7537
https://etherscan.io/address/0xfd15b21ab5dd262f60511795e32385d523cab962
https://etherscan.io/address/0x5143ae382ec6c5613544477f0bafdca0e09af0fc
https://etherscan.io/address/0xf44e3a2cca09af84b1742f599c2f3aab0570c82f
https://etherscan.io/address/0xe234baf02d7c2de1ae3b72c59853a59bb896d501
https://etherscan.io/address/0xeffc2e5513357acf0a6cc692d4144f797235647f
https://etherscan.io/address/0x87c5e2c2f5efa055b023a97aadf456f41642c983
https://etherscan.io/address/0xe8ebc2771c0f527c2385eabd14971184d8525190
https://etherscan.io/address/0x3f623c9fe67b6d4f287431a3f09fe4cfa734cec3
https://etherscan.io/address/0xbf70ff51cb10197377c0d036865cf2c02f3a88e5

This is clearly abusive behaviour coming from a Mission Board member of this community that requires proper legislation. I open this thread in order to hear the voices of our community with regards to the actions of @clesaege.

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We need to stop this 1h1v, lets change the voting method

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creo que es un ataque claro al sistema, no conozco la intenciones de clement, puede ser un experimento para testear los problemas del protocolo y mejorar o simplemente para tener mas poder de voto para tener mas influencia en futuras elecciones. imo emho

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La aplicación de delegaciones cuadráticas atenuaría el problema e incentivaría a que más miembros busquen delegaciones.

The application of quadratic delegations would alleviate the problem and would encourage more members to seek delegations.

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I like this approach. Quadratic delegations could be a good way to go forward.

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Claramente están juntando delegaciones para controlar la gobernanza, estoy a favor de quitar las delegaciones por más que voten 300 personas.
Los votos deben valer 1 humano / 1 voto así tienen muchísimo más valor que mil votaciones de delegados.
Votarían los que realmente están interesados en el protocolo y no granjas de humanos que no saben lo que están votando con sus perfiles creados gracias a un desconocido, básicamente los usan como los punteros políticos en Argentina, no queríamos evitar eso?
Saquemos las delegaciones antes de que “ellos” controlen todo.
En la vida real colocamos 1 voto dentro de una urna, no llevo conmigo los de mi familia y amigos.

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Giving the same answer as on Twitter:

Please stop trying to FUD on everything (last time they were FUDing on the mother of my partner delegating to me https://twitter.com/LudovikoPoh/status/1566585653453799426).

Not everyone is delegating to me (ex: https://app.proofofhumanity.id/profile/0x27ef0661b3ceda5f25e14f94656cdfb2def5aef8).

I’ve been helping to bootsrap a Burmese community and for sure initially a lot of people would know me (and delegate to me as I may be one of the only delegate they know). I’d expect this to change as the community expends.

Also I don’t have a plan to get a crazy amount of delegates (it’d be better to have a multiplicity of community leaders instead of a polarisation between me and Santi).
When asking people to delegate, I’ve previously suggested other people and pointed out I had too much delegations see this Tweet.

So Santi, if you are “jealous” of Burmese people delegating to me, maybe try translate your delegation speech in Bamar and help them get vouches. That would probably make you more popular than attacking them…

I never forced anyone to delegate to me and didn’t check whom people were delegating to when vouching them.
Out of the 5 recent vouchs I’ve made
(Proof of Humanity, a sybil-proof list of humans.
Proof of Humanity, a sybil-proof list of humans.
Proof of Humanity, a sybil-proof list of humans.
Proof of Humanity, a sybil-proof list of humans.
Proof of Humanity, a sybil-proof list of humans. ):

  • 3 delegated to someone else
  • 1 didn’t delegate
  • 1 delegate to me

Farming is registering sockpupets accounts (asking people to make videos and keeping control of their addresses). If you believe any of those profiles were “farmed”, I’d invite you to challenge them.
I would also support an HIP making it explicit that people have to be in control of their accounts.

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I suggest that we move forward with a decision about this that suspends delegations in order to make it.

I have recommended the following action to the Proof of Humanity Mission Board: Snapshot

The board doesn’t have the power to change the voting rules, nor do you have the power to exclude other board members from voting.
At this point this looks like an attempted coup to remove delegations for your side to be in full control over Proof Of Humanity.

(Also farming delegations to your public profile would be stupid, as people can delegate to any address not necessarily a registered one, so if someone where to try to maliciously farm delegations to overthrow governance they would probably delegate to a bunch of anonymous addresses that they control)

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Feel free to use the coup narrative, funny projection of your actions. Everyone except those in your payroll can see that you are attacking the DAO. I’m only proposing that we make a decision about delegations without them activated. As democratic as it gets.

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That’s an attempt at voter suppression, in current proposals, votes tend to have a 97.5% abstention allowing an active minority to make proposals affecting everyone.
I think we should go to more delegations (show the possibility to delegate in the frontend, have liquid voting where delegations are transitive), not less.

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hola clement me enseñas a setear la delegacion automatica?

@clesaege is right, all voting to change the voting rules must follow current rules - otherwise, the DAO is not rules-based which is one of the main points. If actual proof of wrongdoing can be produced, then, well then I don’t know what to do.

I would definitely support quadratic voting for a few different reasons.

  1. A vote of a person actually casting their own vote is worth more to the community.
  2. We would encourage people to spread delegations around empowering more of the community.
  3. Avoid giving whales too much power.

@clesaege: What do you think of this proposal?

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The thing with delegations is that you can’t prevent them (like you can make a simple program voting the way your delegate votes or even give presigned ballots to your delegate and have him submit the one of his choice).

So we can either have easy delegations or hard delegations.

Hard delegations would favor tech savvy users.

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In the last 2 weeks we have seen @clesaege increase his delegations +91% by this exploitative method since his last vote on the DAO:

We demand that we get to investigate the users that are giving these delegations in order to understand how aware they are of the methods being used on their behalf.

The Board has the power to oversee the security of the voting process and that is exactly what is being under attack.

The DAO never held a vote about delegations, this is an opportunity to have one –without delegations activated– and see if the DAO agrees with the methods of the Board Member.

The PoH DAO resolution has 2 votes to 1 in favor of this action. According to such resolution @clesaege vote is not valid since he’s the person being implicated here.

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I dont approve the name Santi has given. “Farming of delegations”.

But I do show my concern.
The list Is huge and the circunstances are awkward.
Clement’s answer “not all delegations were given to me” does not calm me.

There’s something tricky going on and it suits me horrible. Our governance Is clearly in danger.

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Santi, this is stupid, if you followed your logic, I could make a resolution saying your vote is not valid and thus have it passed too. A resolution can’t act on itself before being voted.

There has been delegations from the start the DAO didn’t need to vote the initial state of the project.

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Let’s have a HIP on delegations without these being activated. If the DAO agrees, you can move forward with the Burmese revolution. If the DAO requires an alternative legislation on this matter, then we shall work on it.

Simple as that. Let the people who are actually building this community decide.

This isn’t according to the rules of the DAO and will not be valid.
This would be an attempted coup and the result would be unlikely to be enforced by the governor (but if you wish to go this road, that’d make a cool Kleros case).

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Is this a HIP? What is exactly being proposed here?